C/P from a DSS site

To the MODERATORS & ADMIN,

Before I get into the actual content of this thread I wish to state that I am only posting in thos forum by default. Perhaps a new forum should be created for FTA related posts and questions that are not stb brand specific but are general in nature. The info and questions in this thread are unfortunately substantially beyond rumor!!

THE FUTURE

The information and questions I have posted below will have a profound effect on all of us who are FTA hobbyists. Many who are new to the FTA experience and I'm sure many who have been around for some time are unaware of what is going to occur in the near future. What is comming will effect us all in a manner far more annoying then the regular ecms we endure.

I have attempted to put together info from various threads in the abadss forums and have posed questions that perhaps can enlighten us all as to what we may expect.

I hope that someone here can answer all or some of these questions with informed and reliable information (I fully understand that reliable information is a relative term and that in dealing with this hobby any and all info is subject to change).

Hopefully one or more of the moderators or super moderators will have obtained answers to these questions from their sources and can provide us with the latest info they have.

In order to prevent confusion PLEASE when answering reference your answer to the question #. No disrespect meant but I've often found that answers provided by those trying to help can be quite confusing because there is no indication or reference to which question they are answering and sometimes in threads with multiple replies no quote is used and no reference is made to which reply they are attempting to respond too.

NAGRAVISION 3 or 4

Apparently both DN and BEV are committed to switching over to a new encryption technology referred to as Nagravision 3 or 4.

Info in one thread indicated that the current Nagravision encryption was cracked by a European Group and it took over a years work before they were successful and that this group or groups referred to as the ROM Groups in one post have the skills to do this and that the coders currently providing the working bins will be unable to accomplish anything until Nag 3/4 has been compromised.

If history repeats itself it could require many months or longer to crack this new encryption method and that most likely those who utilize these 3rd party files in order to view DN or BEV will be unable to do so and their viewing will be limited to true FTA signals, perhaps for months or longer until the new Nag 3/4 encryption is cracked.

Q1. Is this correct interpretation of what to expect in the near future?

Q2. Does anyone have any reasonably accurate info that could further enlighten us about these upcoming events?

BEV

Apparently Bev is nearing completion on it's card swap and providing subs with it's new so called smart card. Also from my understanding Bev will switch over to the new encryption method referred to Nagravision 3 or 4.

Q3. Is the card swap and the introduction of the Nag 3/4 encryption technology two separate security measures on Bev's part or is the new card simply a requirement in order for the subs to unscramble the Nag 3/4 encryption technology?

DN

Info in various threads indicate that DN will also be switching over to the new encryption method provided by Nagravision 3/4 by the end of this year.

Q4. Is DN is in the process of doing a card swap for their subs also or are they able to utilize the Nagravision 3/4 encryption technology without the necessity of a card swap?

FULL EMULATION

On July 10th Neosat V2 team indicated that with the release of v 2.95 they had achieved a FULL EMULATION (Cardless along with IKS fixes).

From the V2 site:

"this is NOT a patch, this is FULL EMU. 99% guarantee Neosat will stay up until a card swap. and if it ever goes down, it will be fixed within 30 minutes max."

I'm under the impression that FULL EMULATION means that utilizing the FULL EMULATION bins the systems work the same as an actual subscribers would. Yet he specifically indicated that the system would work until a card swap - indicating that with the card swap and/or introduction of the Nag 3/4 encryption they also would have to start from scratch and wait for the Nag 3/4 to be cracked.

Q5. A full emulation will also go down until the Nag 3/4 technology is cracked, is this correct?

IKS & HIKS

My understanding of the workings of IKS and HIKS are minimal. Like most here my primary concern is will they continue to deliver.

Currently Neosat has both IKS (v3.15 - server 1) & HIKS (v10.06 - server 2) available.

Q6. Will the iPros continue to receive DN & BEV when connected to the IKS or HIKS systems after the activation of the NAG 3/4 encryption technology and Card Swaps or will the v2 team also be dependant on the cracking of the NAG 3/4 encryption method in order to keep the iPros connected to the IKS/HIKS systems working?

Q7. If the new card swap is a seperate security technology and not just a method of unscrambling the new NAG 3/4 encryption technology, will this prevent IKS/HIKS systems from delivering a usuable signal.

Q8. What of the other receivers using IKS such as nfusion - is it expected that they will continue working or are their IKS systems dependant on a crack of Nag 3/4 ?

Q9. Lastly is their any difference with the receivers not originally marketed with a build in IKS connection and now utilizing internet adapters or so called Dongle's to connect to IKS systems - as far as expectations after the implementation of Nag 3/4?

I certainly understand that their are no guarantees when it comes to pursueing the fta hobby. However answers to the above questions are quite important to those of us who may be considering expenditures for additional hardware or upgrades.

TIA FOR ANY INFO ON THE ABOVE

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They deleted this as soon as I posted it. I found it earlier today. I knew those spanish classes and girlfriends would come in handy. Remember is was a spanish team that cracked N2 a few years ago. Now Germans and Spanish engineers are works together and appear to have a public file

They deleted it because of it's "plastic/card" content. Post it on card friendly sites that you regularly frequent;
Get the word out......
I found proof that N3 can be beat
if they can do it on cards
boxes will follow closely behind.

Good Luck

Holstein912

Un intenso y depurado rumor está corriemdo como el agua por los diferentes Foros Undeerground de medio mundo, con foto incluida. al parecer y según diversas publicaciones se anuncia que que se publicarán dos archivos exclusivos para una tarjeta PrimaCard y que al parecer podrían piratear el sistema de Kudelski Nagra 3 e incluso NDS Videoguard. Se habla también, de que no es posible introducir los dos códigos a la vez en dicha tarjeta para que emule ambos sistemas y que además, será una tarjeta cara, del orden de los 140 €. Pero lo más sorprendente de todo es que se habla de que la última adaptación del código la están realizando un grupo de Hackers españoles. Presumiblemente se entiende que en esta aventura se han unido dos Teams importantes con expertos Alemanes y Españoles. Hasta aquí todo muy bien, y bastante entretenido. ¿Es una historia de ficción o es un evento que pronto se cumplirá?

En cualquier caso en los diversos Foros parecen estar esperanzados y sobretodo entretenidos. En portales mas serios con estos temas nada hablan de esta milagrosa tarjeta y otros apuntan a la madre de todas las Fakes, pues no se entiende cómo se ha podido abrir el sistema de Nagra 3 implantado en Alemania con el escaso tiempo de pruebas en el que están sometidos ahora mismo, y que no se hable de TV Cabo, sistema que lleva más tiempo en proceso de estudio. Primero fueron unas fotografias del Chip de las ROM 142, despues de la ROM 180 y ahora la nueva PrimaCard o PrimaerCard. Objetivamente hablando se puede decir que lo único real es que Internet es la madre de todas las esperanzas y rumores que finalmente son creidos por miles y miles de usuarios de los foros.
Kudelski ya ha perdido bastante dinero con Nagra 2 y ahora, tras perder algunos viejos clientes importantes y recuperar otros, ha hecho un gran esfuerzo económico para solucionar ese gran agujero que la pirateria agrandaba por momentos. Nagravision 3 que no es tal, sino una evolución del sistema Nagra, se conoce con distintos niveles de Rom con la finalidad de poder proteger al resto de clientes, si uno de ellos es pirateado. Además cuentan con una tecnologia más avanzada y con sorpresas en dichas tarjetas capaces de mantener a los mejores Hackers del mundo demasiado tiempo ocupado con ellas. Tranosky ya demostró cuan complejo es hackear una tarjeta o mejor dicho, cuanto instrumental es necesario, nada accesible para cualquiera. entonces estamos ante el bulo más grande del año, o ante la desesperación de los comerciantes... quien sabe, el tiempo nos dará nuevos datos más adelante. Se admiten apuestas.

PD: Esta noticia está basada en la información y comentarios que se pueden encontrar en Internet. El autor de esta WEB no acepta en ninún término la pirateria. Sólo informa de acontecimientos acogiendose a la libre expresión y libertad de opinión. Abonese a su plataforma digital correspondiente y no le de más vueltas al asunto.
Fuente: TDT-Aguilas

You will want this Part II

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An intense and refined corriemdo rumor is like water in different forums Undeerground half a world, including photo. Apparently and according to various publications announcing that two files to be published exclusively for a card PrimaCard and who reportedly could hack the system and even 3 Nagra Kudelski NDS Videoguard. It also speaks, that is not possible to introduce the two codes at a time on that card to emulate both systems and that also will be a face card, the order of 140 €. But the most surprising thing is that there is talk that the latest adaptation of the code are making a group of Hackers Spaniards. Presumably it is understood that in this adventure have joined two major Teams with German and Spanish experts. So far, very well, and quite entertaining. Is it a story or fiction is an event that will soon be met?

In any case in the various forums seem to be hopeful and above all entertaining. In more serious portals with these issues speak nothing of this miraculous card and others point to the mother of all Fakes, as they do not understand how it was possible to open the system Nagra 3 implanted in Germany with limited time in which evidence are subject right now, and not talk about TV Cabo, a system which takes longer to process study. First there were few photographs of the ROM chip 142, after the ROM 180 and now the new PrimaCard or PrimaerCard. Objectively speaking one can say that the only thing real is that the Internet is the mother of all rumors and hopes that finally Cree are thousands and thousands of users of the forums.
Kudelski has already lost enough money with Nagra 2 and now, after losing some old and retrieve other major customers, has done a great economic effort to resolve this great Piracy enlarge the hole at times. Nagravision 3 that is not such, but an evolution of the system Nagra, is known with different levels of Rom in order to be able to protect the remaining customers, if one of them is pirated. In addition have a more advanced technology and surprises in these cards capable of keeping the world's best Hackers too busy time with them. Tranosky already demonstrated how complex hack is a card or rather, the instrumentation needed, nothing accessible to everyone. then we have the largest bulo year, or to despair of traders ... who knows, the new data will give us time later. Acceptable bets.

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I got this off a European Site that I watch, visit and monitor called



part 3
The new system of Cripta Nagra (N3) has fallen! Premium Card N3 As much it is so some things that really must continue being NP Sooo all this is new. Nowadays, the RSA equipment decided to raise NP. D + and pre *** e (After KARTENTAUSCH) Siknd already hehackt. It seems more than a tool of TV Cabo to give… but they ten well-taken care of! 1) Rome 180 (D +) tool is probably a pure Backddor, not to all! 2) Rome 142 (TV Cabo) tool is really It is not a tool for MOSC Cabo, that does a TV to him Cabo ermölglicht tickets of MOSC in all the free air channels (except PPV) The tool also allows to extend Third This is only original with TV Cabo cards! Of the tool, there is a version of which is a number of license questions! If they do not do it, the card of burners unwiederruflich destroyed! The number of license can be in Portugal around 1500 Euros. One is Ali the past of cards to buy cheap and to sell again Apparently, there is a version where rausgepatched. The fact is that the new system of Cripta Nagra (N3) has fallen!



Rumours about hack NDS and Nagravision 3

Since yesterday monitors our editors increasingly rumours about the possible hack of the NDS Videoguard and Kudelski Nagravision 3 coderingsystemen. In practice this could mean that the package of Sky Italia (Videoguard), the Spanish D (Nagravision3) and the German Premiere (Nagravision3) without paying any adjustments can be made visible.

The potential of the hack Nagravision3 system will be a major blow to the ailing Swiss coderingsspecialist Kudelski. This past week, made known a substantial loss in the first part of 2008 ago. This was mainly suffered by the costs that the company had to make codes cracked by television weather to recover. Even the loss of customers by the long-term free channels has to look at the losses to Kudelski. In the Netherlands using the digital television CanalDigitaal (Mediaguard) and UPC (Nagravision2) the encryption of Kudelski well as other products and services of the Swiss company.

The possible Nagravision3 hack is of a commercial nature. There will soon be a "smart card ijskrabber" on the market which brought more than 120 euros will cost. The force and any lasting effect of this smart card is totally uncertain, hence the pet name "ijskrabber."

Today come from Italy also becoming increasingly stubborn rumors that have never publicly hacked Videoguard encoding of the English NDS prey would have been cases of hackers. It talks about using an old Nokia Dbox receiver via a particular file should be modified. This is the zenderpakket of the Italian branch of the worldwide Sky television. The international satellietforum Satscreen has been through an email to its members asked to holders of Dbox recipients to enter into the file on force to be tested.

Satellite Magazine would unnecessarily indicate that use of modified smartcards and / or satellite receivers are free to be able to watch television which must be paid in the Netherlands through the Penal Code prohibited. Reason to strongly warn visitors of possible ways to look for free use.

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