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Old 13th June 2009, 04:52 PM
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"IKS and You" a good read for all

Nice little read from awhile ago that I came across...
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Some of you may think that I am totally against IKS, well I am not..some of you may also think that I mean to discourage everyone from buying into IKS..well I'm not, I only want everyone to understand what they may be getting themselves into. Forget about freeTV for a minute and think real hard..If you have any doubts after reading below, then I advise you to seriously stay away. Here's an old post I found for you to read, now don't just skip through it, read the whole thing and inform yourselves before you take the IKS plunge..if anyone want's to challenge this post, please do it with in a professional manner and with proof..not with your thoughts..enjoy and stay careful!


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"IKS? = ("Internet Key Sharing") Sales of the different models of IKS receivers have been growing in the past few months. Based on the saying "they never go down". or there always "UP." Yea right! Now there new point of sale is the "Promised" workaround for the N3 encryption. IKS Receivers seam to be less effected then other receivers when it comes to the "ECM - MECM - attacks targeted towards the fta community, with downtime being much less then that of there counter parts. IKS seems to be spreading to other members of the fta receivers through the use of "dongles". Some receivers using the IKS dongle are the Captain, K-box, Coolsat CS6100 and now the Sonicview Ihub. With rumors of even more models to come out with a dongle attachment. Some believe this is just a ploy to boost sales and income before the final switch to the N3 cards and encryption. With the dongle being some what less costly then a full blown IKS receiver, expect to see these mentioned in chat and in the forums. Some actually have limited support and seem to be delivering on the promise of being least affected by ECM's. The dongle works to connect the fta receiver to the IKS server via the serial port. to the Internet using a standard CAT5 Ethernet cable, or a wireless bridge. We all know that IKS requires an constant Internet connection in order to work properly, to decode, and reveal the current television programming. Although there has been a few times that the IKS receiver (nFusion) has preformed with full emulation, it has worked with autoroll off and the emu on. We also know by the present IP address the IKS server is located in Korea. The IKS receivers working on data packets switched through the internet based on UDP file transfers. This data is not "keys" but believed to be an act of card sharing. The exact way this is done is still pretty much unknown. Or a valued trade secret, making it more difficult for the providers to engineer an effective ECM. IKS does NOT mean you won't be without tv, it only means that you will be able to come back up much faster than having to wait for a new file.

Even though this "hobby" is risky there are folks that think safety first, so how safe is IKS? Most IKS haters, and dis-trustees focus almost entirely on the risk of having their IP address exposed. We all pretty much know any online presence, including the ones that an IKS or the dongle receivers use can reveal your IP address. Not only to law enforcement but anyone who has the time and tools to trace you down. I also would not put it past the sat providers to have on staff people and machines that can do this job. After all they spend up to a half a billion dollars to revamp there systems every few years, and launch new satellites. Here is a small run down copied from other sources that explains the server end to IKS and the receivers.

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The IKS server requires a UDP connection, not TCP. UDP is generally regarded as being somewhat more secure but the most important difference is that UDP packets travel in only one direction and the connection is dropped after the data packet has been sent to the relay. The server does not monitor whether the relay server is able to deliver the data packet to its ultimate destination. It only cares about whether the relay server has received the data and then terminates the connection. Since the connection time between the master server and its relays is very brief and the amount of data extremely miniscule, it is difficult for outside parties to effectively monitor data transfers between the server to and from the thousands of receivers connected via IKS. It doesn't mean you can't be tracked; only that it would be more difficult to determine what data your receiver actually received and how it was used.
There is no simple answer as to weather IKS is totally safe, but based soly on IP exposure and monitoring, it is most likely safe. you must be aware that no matter how much or what kinds of proxies, and chained proxies you use or any other masking of ip address used, a through investigation could reveal your true IP address and that could lead to your discovery. The odds or likelihood of someone actually doing so is relatively small unless some of the data your transferring or receiving deals with Alquida, - illegal sale of WMD's, or some other terrorist keywords. Does this mean that the risk is to small, that it can be safe? Well again i refer to copied data and paste other facts here


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No one will argue that the sole purpose or function of an IKS connection is to descramble or decrypt otherwise protected content. The IKS server has NO other purpose than to ACTIVELY allow people connected to it to decode encrypted provider signals (an illegal activity). The IKS server does not provide users with any other useful information or data that would justify the server connection and it has zero function in "True FTA". Therefore, if you connect to an IKS server, you are in fact indicating that you are decoding the provider's signals. No reasonable person has ever denied or challenged this simple fact, including Matchstick and Matchbox (the spokespersons for Nfusion). But if no one is tracking your IKS connection via an IP address, "so what!" goes the reasoning of far too many users.
That only value free tv. Now think of any other things in the fta world that sole purpose is to decrypt the channels that people want to watch.

How about the 8 psk adapter what other use is there for it than DN HD decryption - Suspect if you buy one? Are there others?

Here's the "so what." If (or probably more accurately, "when") the IKS receivers are challenged in court and the IKS connection is ruled an illegal tool, will the plaintiff have to prove that you actively used it or would the mere purchase of an IKS dongle or receiver be deemed sufficient evidence of guilt? That's a big unknown and impossible for anyone to predict with any degree of accuracy at this time. But if one were to look at the litigation launched in 2002-2003 against end users, DTV was able to establish (in the courts of most states but not all) that the mere purchase of an Hu card and card programmer (unlooper) demonstrated intent to pirate their signals based on their claim that the Hu cards "served no other purpose." That was patently false because the cards CAN be used in other applications but the alternate uses represented only a tiny sliver of the market and the vast majority were, in fact, purchased to pirate DTV signals. Of course, by the time that the estimated 24,000 letters of pending litigation were sent out to users, most DTV hackers had already long been exposed and compromised by the sales records that they left behind when they purchased the Hu cards and unloopers. It was impossible for those users to hide their identity after-the-fact or deny they had made the purchases because of the availability of dealers' sales records. DTV obtained those sales records via subpoena. The records included the real identity and addresses of those who purchased the cards making it extremely easy for DTV attorneys to mail out their letters of pending litigation. The tracking of card purchases was the primary tool used by DTV in their now infamous war against DTV signal pirates.

In the case of IKS, if the targeted end user "was in fact using the IKS dongle or receiver to decrypt the provider's signals" (after all, what "other purpose" is there?), the outcome is likely to heavily favor the plaintiff, not the defendant. In the case of a dedicated IKS receiver like the Nfusion, one could argue that the receiver can also be used for "true FTA."

If your IP is traced that defense will fall like the Hindenburg!


We need to use simple logic to determine if sat tv providers will peruse the makers, vendors, and buyers of the IKS and dongle assisted receivers. I personally believe if the "IKS" falls under the spot light The manufactures, retailers, and mass purchasers could or would be targeted. As with DTV the actual users of the products were not perused to the fullest point of the law. I also believe very few states will bother with arresting thousands of citizens for the purpose of incarceration. I believe there primary target would be to stop the manufacture, sales, and for profit installation of the receivers. Instead of building or revamping the prison system which could equal the sizes of small cities. I do believe a few targeted citizens may be tried and convicted to show and set an example to the FTA community that it can be done. At the same time logic dictates that if IKS receivers are able to deliver on there promised bill of goods, and a workable hack for the rest of the fta receivers is unobtainable, then the spot light will focus on the IKS receivers. As with any opinion you should take mine with a grain of salt. Now as far as the safety of the IKS system goes, we all know any time you load an fta receiver with third party software we are at risk of prosecution. Also the purchase of an regular fta receiver with a credit card and having it delivered does not make you guilty of any crime - As does having a dish or a yard full of dishes makes you guilty of a crime. However the purchase of a IKS receiver can "shine a light on your activates" but does not necessarily mean your committing a crime. I would say the dongle is a different matter all together it has "one purpose" and only one."
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very good post i hope a lot of members will read and think about IKS this is just a hobby
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great post man, thats one of the main reasons i stay away from it
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thanks for the heads up....view of the i-hub
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Good post of information posted to threads of users for and against iks...plus personal thoughts.

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I would say the dongle is a different matter all together it has "one purpose" and only one."
We know that the receiver manufactures have been in and out of the courts dealing with their receivers and FTA users.

The Sonicview USA site post this information about the ihub below. For them to actually promote the ihub (if not for legal sale and uses) would open up the door to being dragged into court again. Seems like they would have thought all legal issues through before releasing the ihub and for sure posting the info to their site.


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Sonicview is the #1 rated FTA receiver in North America
It's official the SV iHub is here!


With the release of the Sonicview SV iHub, Team Sonicview has ushered in a new era in the FTA industry. Just as the internet brought about changes in almost every aspect of our lives, the ability to connect Sonicview receivers to the internet will change every aspect of Free-to-Air viewing. The SV iHub, available only on Sonicview receivers, will render all other receivers obsolete. Join the cutting edge in the FTA industry.
Key Features of the SV iHub!

Download Images:
Download images on your Sonicview for viewing family photo's directly on your TV. Photo Frames are one of the biggest sellers of 2009. Sonicview helps provide the largest photo frame of all, Your BIG SCREEN TV with the Sonicview and SV iHub combo.

Download MP3's:
The mp3 world is huge with iPod and many other devices. Sonicview has brought the SV iHub to give you the music experiance you crave. Use the SV iHub to load MP3's on your Sonicview and allow the power of your Surround Sound System or TV to play your music. Use while cooking, cleaning and working out, the SV iHub will be there for you.

Download Games:
Play games using your Sonicview remote as your controller. You will simply download the games and be ready to play. The gaming industry is one of the largest industries in the world. The SV iHub allows you to play games receiver to receiver or by yourself.

FACTORY SOFTWARE Easy Updating:
Enjoy seamles Factory Software uploading directly to your receiver via the internet. There will be no need waist your time going to our website or disconnecting your receiver for much needed updates. You will simply be able to upload factory software directly to your receiver using the SV iHub via the internet. New firmware with different OSD's and many other features will be released soon.

The SV iHub enables many features that will be added as we go. More updates will be on our downloads section as they become available. They will be made available very soon.
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very informative, thanks well put together.
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funny..it sounds like something my attorney wrote to defend my case!

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Good post of information posted to threads of users for and against iks...plus personal thoughts.

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We know that the receiver manufactures have been in and out of the courts dealing with their receivers and FTA users.

The Sonicview USA site post this information about the ihub below. For them to actually promote the ihub (if not for legal sale and uses) would open up the door to being dragged into court again. Seems like they would have thought all legal issues through before releasing the ihub and for sure posting the info to their site.




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A very good and informative read. Thanks
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