Wow thanks for the info, I am using I-hub, with 360, work great all day just a little freezing, but now a lot of freezing, my hook up the Nova, to see if bev is working again, worked fine till last night, then went down, The Nova was Old School, pvr sucked, but worked for a long time, didn't real mind the hard wire updating, think I could still do a Coolsat or Sonicview, in my sleep ha, ha...