in my area im just starting to see the new cards coming out i dont care what anyone says but its the biggest waist of money on both providers parts anyone with a clue knows the new stuff will be cracked sure they both lose money on pirated boxed but at the same time they are making the money on all the dishes being used and everything else maybe what they need to really do is leave everything alone for a year or two come up with a real plan on trying to put a stop to it and go from there besides hat for every $ there out they sue someone for 2 so they get it back in the end one last though maybe if they made watching tv affordable we wouldnt be doing what we are doing as well the top 100 in 2-3 rooms using a 625 and a 301 around 70-80 a month heck month and a half you can afford a sv 360 premier and most good sites free to a little amount for good support you do the math

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